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	<title>Comments on: Lessons Learned #15 &#8211; Out of Time</title>
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	<description>Organization and time management for people in their “right” minds</description>
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		<title>By: JoVE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. That is a sticky problem.</description>
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		<title>By: Cairene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cairene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JoVE

&quot;losing track of time will involved in creative work is normal&quot;

Of course - happens all the time. I&#039;m used to it and plan for it, mostly because I like it - a lot. It&#039;s as important to me as REM sleep and never a source of guilt.

That&#039;s what I call &quot;flow&quot; and why I made the distinction. This thing isn&#039;t flow. When I&#039;m in flow, decisions come very easily and are a pleasure to wrassle with even when they don&#039;t. It&#039;s all very intuitive and fun and generally produces good stuff. And I feel very present when I&#039;m in flow.

This &quot;suspension&quot; I&#039;m feeling is a space where decisions don&#039;t come with any clarity. There&#039;s a lot of wrassling that&#039;s not so fun. And it&#039;s slow. And apparently I can&#039;t do it and so much as chew gum at the same time. It&#039;s a space in which I question direction and there&#039;s no going forward without moving through the problem I&#039;m trying to solve. It&#039;s not so much distracting as preoccupying - thus the sense of not being present. (I could even argue the loss of presence is a desire to get some distance and perspective on the problem.)

It wouldn&#039;t be a big deal except for needing/wanting to stay present for my clients and others in my life. I can&#039;t exactly &quot;check out&quot; without consequence. So what I&#039;m reaching for here is some way to create a kind of space for such moments (because they do come along from time to time - they are predictable in that way) that doesn&#039;t result in isolation. Because a) I don&#039;t like the consequences and b) the isolation doesn&#039;t really help the problem solving.

What I&#039;m wanting to learn is how to create suspension without isolation, a time-out *with* presence (which I can intuit as possible, if not clearly visualize just yet. Do know this much: the answer lies in communication).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JoVE</p>
<p>&#8220;losing track of time will involved in creative work is normal&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course &#8211; happens all the time. I&#8217;m used to it and plan for it, mostly because I like it &#8211; a lot. It&#8217;s as important to me as REM sleep and never a source of guilt.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I call &#8220;flow&#8221; and why I made the distinction. This thing isn&#8217;t flow. When I&#8217;m in flow, decisions come very easily and are a pleasure to wrassle with even when they don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s all very intuitive and fun and generally produces good stuff. And I feel very present when I&#8217;m in flow.</p>
<p>This &#8220;suspension&#8221; I&#8217;m feeling is a space where decisions don&#8217;t come with any clarity. There&#8217;s a lot of wrassling that&#8217;s not so fun. And it&#8217;s slow. And apparently I can&#8217;t do it and so much as chew gum at the same time. It&#8217;s a space in which I question direction and there&#8217;s no going forward without moving through the problem I&#8217;m trying to solve. It&#8217;s not so much distracting as preoccupying &#8211; thus the sense of not being present. (I could even argue the loss of presence is a desire to get some distance and perspective on the problem.)</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be a big deal except for needing/wanting to stay present for my clients and others in my life. I can&#8217;t exactly &#8220;check out&#8221; without consequence. So what I&#8217;m reaching for here is some way to create a kind of space for such moments (because they do come along from time to time &#8211; they are predictable in that way) that doesn&#8217;t result in isolation. Because a) I don&#8217;t like the consequences and b) the isolation doesn&#8217;t really help the problem solving.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m wanting to learn is how to create suspension without isolation, a time-out *with* presence (which I can intuit as possible, if not clearly visualize just yet. Do know this much: the answer lies in communication).</p>
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		<title>By: JoVE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, losing track of time will involved in creative work is normal. My homeschoolers who have right-brained kids crowd (and some of them have VERY r-b kids) talk about this a lot. their kids just don&#039;t do clock time very well.

Does knowing that clocks and calendars and measuring and disciplining time are relatively recent conventions help at all? Is there a way to think about how you organize your time, and your plan, that does not make as strict use of those modern disciplines? I know some of what we do has to fit with other people&#039;s notions of time (and thus the discipline of clocks and calendars) but maybe all of it doesn&#039;t.

I think Charlie Gilkey plays with this a bit in his planners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, losing track of time will involved in creative work is normal. My homeschoolers who have right-brained kids crowd (and some of them have VERY r-b kids) talk about this a lot. their kids just don&#8217;t do clock time very well.</p>
<p>Does knowing that clocks and calendars and measuring and disciplining time are relatively recent conventions help at all? Is there a way to think about how you organize your time, and your plan, that does not make as strict use of those modern disciplines? I know some of what we do has to fit with other people&#8217;s notions of time (and thus the discipline of clocks and calendars) but maybe all of it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think Charlie Gilkey plays with this a bit in his planners.</p>
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